Indiana drivers license smile

I'm pretty sure that a full beard will reduce the effectiveness of matches but not by a lot - I'd imagine eye position and spacing, nose and brow alignment, ear position and size, head width and height would provide pretty good identifying factors.

Sure, obscuring mouth and chin position isn't g. I really did make myself sound like that, well, ever since I moved back into my mom's basement, things just haven't been the same. I think its more of a testament to the Indiana DMV. I know in my state, nobody feels like smiling after waiting in line at the DMV! Note to self: Don't shave for the week before getting driver's license renewed. Also wear old, ugly glasses instead of current glasses. I'm pretty sure the guy smiling and sweating in the trench coat when its 80 degrees out is going to attract somebody's attention.

When buying your booze and being carded or being pulled over for speeding, you're generally annoyed, surprised or just plain ticked off, right? Ok, fair enough. I order my beer, bartender cards me, no sweat. A few minutes later, a man older than me I'd guess he was mid to late fifties sits down and orders a drink. The bartender asks for his ID. He starts ranting and raving about how unreasonable this is, finally relents, and pulls out a badge case.

She looks it over for a second, hands it back to him and says "I'm sorry, sir, I'll need to see something with your birthdate on it. He eventually sheepishly apologized, but the rest of us just sat and stared at the moron making a scene. Just because of a stupid rule? People who apply rules literally without understanding what those rules are for, those are the morons.

Plus the ones who think that mindless application of rules is a good thing. I'm not sure what is new in this article: in France and I bet in many other country too , this is already the case for ID card, passport.. Not smiling when the photography is taken feels very weird, but that's not a big issue, though I would guess that parents trying to make their children not smiling for the photography may disagree. Kind of hard to get your six-year-old a driver's license in Indiana, anyways.

Six-year-olds in Indiana are eligible for non-driver identification cards just like everyone else. I don't see how this regulation distinguishes between identification cards that include vs. Why not tell people, "you can smile if you want to for your license, but we also have to shoot a picture of you not smiling"? Then, record both images, so that the recognition software has two looks available for that individual. Heck, get a shot of them with and without glasses, too.

Real ID [google. Take five minutes and read how the federal government has mandated a variety of criteria for states' drivers licenses, the cost of which to the states is in the millions and is entirely unfunded not to mention unconstitutional! Take a moment today to call your state legislators and see where they stand on your states' Real ID compliance.

If they oppose it, congratulate them and consider donating to their campaign. If they support it, swear on your mother's grave to see them unseated and replaced with a responsible legislator. Real ID should make any sensible person cringe. I think opposing Real ID should make any sensible person cringe. Because it doesn't mandate any "new" criteria that almost every state isn't already collecting on you if you have a drivers license. What it is doing is trying to make the 50 states DLs uniform.

Those that really oppose it don't like it solely based on money issues. Privacy issues aren't even a real issue with it as you are already submitting that same info to the state any way. Now why do states oppose this based on money issues? Base some states have had statewide RMSs for police for years and it fairly trival in their state for their police to read their state DL licenses and import into their RMSs and it's mainly been paid for once. That's the entire issue that some already have their system in place and don't want to change even if the feds paid every penny.

I think this'll something like NIBRS or UCR where the feds would like the states to do it, but realistically it won't be until the next big change in RMS for those states that currently oppose this to even consider adopting it. At that time, they'll whine that they want to keep their current format as well. Pennsylvania's Dept. One point required a multimillion dollar contract with a security firm whose technology was cracked reliably just a few months later I wish I could find evidence on the 'net of this, but I trust the person who told me, as he's been following Real ID religiously since it was introduced.

You're advocating a national ID card, essentially. That's one stop shopping for identity thieves--just like social security numbers are now--and it won't do a thing to stop "terrorists" and other malfeasant souls. It's also terribly close to the "papers, please" seen in many places throughout time. Believe what you want. In my case, it's not a religious remark.

I'm a security professional, thank you very much. They're telling you like it is. YOUR remark is the mantra of the religion of putting more into the government- there's no reasoning, no contemplation of what the consequences might be, nothing.

Just a blind faith that the government that brought you the current economic crisis don't buy that it was the Republicans OR the Democrats- both parties' people are to blame here QED the law is unconstitutional. Of course so is the U.

I still don't understand that one If Wyoming wants the drinking age to be 18, let Wyoming do so. I don't live there, so what do I care what the Wyomingites do? WHY was your post modded insightful?

You present an argument, but don't back it up. They already HAVE the ability to look up most state licenses right now without this amongst other things. Trying to make them all be in a single database i.

The article fails to mention, however, the legality of beards, mustaches, and bushy eyebrows. Also on the list of taboos are hats, eyeglasses, and hair that hangs down over the face. A visual aid [wilsdomain. However, it's worth noting that the bushy eyebrow and mustache exception was put in place at the request of the Greater Indianapolis Groucho Marx Lookalike Society. Residents of Indiana will no longer be allowed to smile in public when the Homeland Security Alert Level is Orange or Red, to improve security.

Image recognition software is not able to easily recognize and track citizens movements if they smile, which causes terrorism and child pornography.

BMV Communications Director Dennis Rosebrough said if a criminal went to get a driver's license under his name, the criminal's photograph would be compared to an old photograph of Rosebrough and the BMV could be alerted the next day that the two don't match. This system isn't even realtime.

What good does it do if a criminal gets away with a state-issued ID a full 36 hours before anyone knows that he shouldn't? There is a lot of utility in catching this sort of thing after the fact.

I don't really approve of these automatic biometric identifiers but objecting to it because it takes a day to discover a problem is just nonsensical. Local reaction: Newspaper reporter Clark Kent was quoted as protesting this in the strongest possible terms, while wealthy socialite Bruce Wayne said he didn't really see this as a problem. This is a pretty normal precaution.

Apparently, smiling allows you to distort your face enough to allow others a better chance of passing themselves off as you. I'm at the freaking DMV! I've been at the freaking DMV for hours!! By the time my picture is taken, I'm definitely not smiling!!! However it isn't to do with facial recognition as such. UK passports and some others I believe are fitted with chips which store a fingerprint of the face presumably encoded in some way which describes the geometry of the face.

This allows the photo in the passport to be confirmed against the chip, preventing someone from nicking your passport and replacing the photo. Eventually it will be possible for the passport's data to be confirmed against a record held on a central system. My license expires this year. When I was photographed for a military ID card in I was told to relax every facial muscle, no expression whatever. The secret is out. You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.

Indiana bans drivers from smiling in new license photos. Thread starter Jolie77 Start date Dec 9, Jolie77 New Member Premium Member. The Bureau of Motor Vehicles has imposed new restrictions on anything -- from smiling to wearing glasses and scarves and hats -- that would hamper facial recognition software from distinguishing one driver's looks from another's. A straight-faced photograph enhances the effectiveness of the technology.

But not all states are as restrictive as Indiana. Kentucky law prohibits drivers from wearing sunglasses or any clothing that obstructs the face but says nothing about smiles or prescription glasses. It leaves the final say on photos to circuit court clerks, who issue the licenses.

The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet's Division of Driver Licensing has not released directives for clerks to ban smiles, even though the vendor that provides the facial recognition software has said they can cause issues with the software, said cabinet spokesman Mark Brown. But state officials remain confident they "have an effective tool that helps combat fraud in the licensing process.

Rosebrough said the systems are looking for people using multiple names or the same name but different photos. Kentucky started using its facial recognition software in Indiana started the program Nov. So far, Indiana officials say they are getting to hits a day, which amounts to a sort of preliminary match from the computer system that raises questions about a photo. Rosebrough said that's a manageable number and that the vast majority of issues are resolved quickly.

A much smaller number get further investigation. None have so far been determined to be cases of fraud, he said. To assist with the technology, drivers may be asked to brush hair away from their face, remove a headband or remain stone-faced during the photo, Rosebrough said. G : driver may drive only during daylight hours. Still Have Questions? Send us an email about the vision screening test. Email Us. Contrast Setting Default.

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